Saturday, May 30, 2020

blogger link bug

I used the new blogger to copy and paste the paragraph below from https://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2020/05/steelworkers-park-and-blast-furnace.html

The edit session I was copying from had the URL
https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/7577633936396294153/6051734377700828924


The southern park has been developed as Steelworkers Park. Read this page (update: the 2016 link is now broke. I'm glad I summarized the essence of the page) from the bottom to the top to learn how enough mud was moved from the bottom of Lake Peoria 168 miles downstream to create 4-feet of top soil to turn the slag fields into desirable vegetation. Also "biosolids" from the MWRD drying fields were used to help convert the land so that it could sustain plant life. (more update: I did find some new links about putting soil on top of slag: blog and technical report.)


Every hot link in that paragraph has the URL of the edit session rather than the URL I created it with. This screenshot after I click the "biosolids" link is an example of the wrong URL.





Below is the paragraph copied using the old version.

The southern park has been developed as Steelworkers Park. Read this page (update: the 2016 link is now broke. I'm glad I summarized the essence of the page) from the bottom to the top to learn how enough mud was moved from the bottom of Lake Peoria 168 miles downstream to create 4-feet of top soil to turn the slag fields into desirable vegetation. Also "biosolids" from the MWRD drying fields were used to help convert the land so that it could sustain plant life. (more update: I did find some new links about putting soil on top of slag: blog and technical report.)

This screenshot shows that it contains the expected URL content.





This bug puts my complaints about the inefficiency of using the new URL in perspective. I made those comments with the mind set that the guts of the URL code would at least work correctly. I have had my opinion of the Blogger software readjusted. This is the second bug I hit on May 30. I've already reported the bug of missing labels in the label menu. And I'm not using the new version heavily because the photo insertion is intolerable and because I haven't figured out how to find unlabeled posts. Imagine how many bugs I would find if I was using it heavily. Did you guys do any testing before you told the public they better try using it????

I need to be able to correctly cut and paste blog text because I do that for various reason:
1) to make a temporary backup copy.
2) to rearrange the photos in a post to put them in chronological order or some other order that becomes obvious after a few years of adding photos to the post.
3) to create new posts by moving content from one or more existing posts and then adding some new material. For example, I used to have one post for all of the Chicago railroad passenger stations. A couple of years later, I wrote a post for each of the six major stations and rewrote the original post to be an overview. Another example of a post being busted up into several posts is Griffin Junction. I cut and pasted a lot of content for both of these rewrites.


Monday, May 18, 2020

May 2020 version of US Steel: South Works

(The information about the Steelworkers Park has been removed from the newer version because it was moved to the Steelworkers Park notes.)
C. William Brubaker/UIC Digital Collections, 1969, CC BY-NC-SA 2.0
Looking northeast along the Calumet River near its mouth at Lake Michigan.
The local pioneer in this field [producing rails] was Eber B. Ward, who used part of a fortune made in the Great Lakes shipping business to build Chicago's first rail-rolling mill in 1857. Located on the North Branch of the Chicago River, Ward's plant was known as the North Chicago Rolling Mill Company. By 1860, when it employed about 200 men, it already ranked as one of the city's biggest enterprises; a decade later, it had expanded into a very large facility with 1,000 workers. In 1865, this mill experimented with rails made out of Bessemer steel ingots—the first such rails produced in the United States. At the beginning of the 1880s, Ward's company opened a sister mill at the mouth of the Calumet River on Chicago's South Side—the famous South Works. (ChicagoHistory)
C. William Brubaker/UIC Digital Collections, 1969, cropped, CC BY-NC-SA 2.0
Looking northeast from Lake Michigan at East 95th Street.
Note that automobile freight cars were still uncovered in 1969.

1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP, north of slip
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP, north of river
The South Works began when North Chicago Rolling Mill Co. bought 73 acres of land "with 1,500 feet of frontage on the Calumet River and 2,500 feet on Lake Michigan and broke ground for what would become the first integrated rail mill in the world." Over the decades it expanded the area by dumping refuge from both their north and south works until they reached 576 acres and by 1933 the land was filled with buildings. "By the early 1980s, plant closure was certain after a major planned expansion was cancelled. Within 22 years starting in 1970, the Works changed from a major steel operation with a rated annual steel capacity of over seven million tons and more than 10,000 employees to a plant with a capacity of only 44,000 tons and 690 employees at its closing in April 1992. Massive demolitions were well underway." 1983 and 1994 aerial views of the site (DavidSchalliol) I've seen numbers as high as 20,000 employees at this works.

I remember reading an article in the Tribune decades ago about a new rail manufacturing plant planned for the South Works. I assume that was the "major planned expansion" referred to above. Reading "Concessions at South Works: What Price a Rail Mill?" made me appreciate the significance of the 5 production workers helping the 3 maintenance workers as emphasized in a video of the hot roll mill in Riverdale, IL. Also note that a large steel facility employees just 8 people.

The plans to build a better route for US-41 using the new vacant land have been realized. But I'm disappointed that it is not limited access. When they finally do fill that land up with condos and retail outlets, the intersections will become a bigger problem.
The plans for some parks have been completed. (Steelworkers Park?) Read this page (update: the link is now broke. I'm glad I summarized the essence of the page) from the bottom to the top to learn how enough mud was moved from the bottom of Lake Peoria 168 miles downstream to create 4-feet of top soil to turn slag fields into desirable vegetation. Also "biosolids" from the MWRD drying fields were used to help make land that could sustain plant life.

Albert Bartkus posted a CBS CHICAGO link which includes this photo
credited to Chicago Lakeside of the proposed redevelopment
The plans for residence and retail space as well as a new marina are still just drawings.

Forgotten Chicago has some more "then" and "now" pictures.

Update: 1920s aerial view of the railroad yards with the steel plants in the background. Pictures of EJ&E Bridge 710 also have views on the South Works on the left side.
Frank Smitty Schmidt posted
US Steel South Works in 1920
Bob Lalich I believe this photo was taken prior to WWI. The south slip seen here was expanded in 1917.
Frank Smitty Schmidt Title: U. S. Steel Railroad Yards at South Works c1920s
Contributing Institution: Pullman State Historic Site
Collection Name: Industrial Heritage Archives - Southeast Chicago Historical Society

Description: Aerial view of South Works in the late 1920s looking north from southeast corner of mill. Image shows railroad cars, life saving station at lower right, factory buildings in background, residences and neighborhood street at left.
Kevin Piper posted
EJ&E was an early slug user on blast furnace highline jobs. NW2 441 and T-3 have a cut of coke hoppers at the long gone USS South Works in Chicago on 1-25-80.
Kevin Piper posted
This is a view of the USS South Works in Chicago. That's a green & orange EJ&E SW1 switching cars in the foreground. PHOTOGRAPHER UNKNOWN
Kevin Piper posted
This is an excellent view of the USS South Works main blast furnace area, ore bins, high-line, and powerhouse (upper left.) The view looks southeast towards Indiana. Some of the blast furnaces pictured here were operational until the early 1980's. EJ&E RY PHOTO
Dennis DeBruler Two big blast furnaces, two smaller ones, and maybe a fifth one.

Kevin Piper posted two photos with the comment:
EJ&E T-3 and 441 are about to shove coke hoppers up the blast furnace high-line on 1-25-80. If you look closely, in the distance is the 86th Street entrance to the mill. There was a bar right outside the gate where EJ&E switch crews would head for "beans." Old Style on tap flowed freely there all day. (441) KEVIN PIPER PHOTO/(Gate) EJ&E RY PHOTO
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Kevin Piper posted
This is an interesting view of the South Chicago mill taken in February 1941, on the eve of World War II. This is looking east at 90th & Avenue O. The blast furnaces in the distance were later removed after installation of the electric furnace. Note the string of EJ&E roofless boxcar coke cars just beyond the fence. As a child, my grandfather who lived in this neighborhood, would climb under the fence and steal coal here for his family.
Kevin posted again
Steve Malachinski Those are the old side blast furnaces along the south dock. only 3 were in operation prior to 1980 #3 #5 and E being small furnaces they only put out maybe two ladles of iron per heat.

Bob Lalich The photographer was Charles Cushman. He took extensive photos of steel mills in the Calumet region, among other subjects. Fortunately his collection has been preserved for those of us interested in history. http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp
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Kevin Piper posted
I returned to the USS South Works by accident in 1987 as a Chicago Rail Link employee. We interchanged cars with EJ&E in the mill by way of South Chicago Junction on Chicago Short Line and BRC trackage rights. By then the mill was still intact, but very devoid of human beings inside. I always had an eerie feeling going in there. I remembered the tracks from my EJ&E days, and had some fun once by taking our CRL locomotive "around the horn" to the north end by the lake and along 79th Street then back south along Brandon Avenue. We sure would have had some explaining to do if we derailed way up there! My biggest regret was not getting any photos, since there was still plenty to see. This is USS Baldwin DS4-4-750 20, and an EJ&E SW1200, taken with a telephoto lens from Burley Avenue on 5-25-86, about a year before my return. LEON KAY PHOTO
Bryan Howell Mill had its last heat in 1993. My grandfather was a millwright until they closed and then was hired to work on the clean up operation.Joe Zeller I can see the nose of another engine, behind that bldg to the right. Maybe?Kevin Piper That is VO-1000 21.
Tony Margis posted
View from the beach back in 1973.
Tony Arduino posted four photos with the comment: "Need help...are these photographs of US Steel South Works or Gary Works? Year unknown. Photo by Calumet Studio on 106th St. Is this photograph at the museum?."
[Some comments indicated Gary, but the consensus, and I concur, is South Works.]

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U. S. Steel South Works. EJ&E RR swing bridge near bottom left. South Slip is visible. Youngstown is gone and taken over by the Port District. Probably c 1970.

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South Slip and railroad yards.
Bob Lalich It appears that #8 blast furnace was still under construction in the top left corner of this photo. It was fired up in August of 1970.
Dan Ess shared a link
South Works, 20.11.58
Photo from Charles W. Cushman collection.

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Rod SellersRod manages the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Southeast Chicago Historical Society. Port District facilities at Iroquois Landing.
George Dosen Transoceanic Terminals. Probably early to mid 60's
Rod SellersRod manages the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Southeast Chicago Historical Society. Youngstown ceased steel making at the Iroquois Landing site around 1960. The steel maker still owned the land which was leased to Iroquois Terminals Inc.
[It is nice to know that the Calumet River used to see a significant number of "salties" (international) ships.]

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Rod Sellers posted a photo of the Acme blast furnace that was still standing in 2004.
This is one of several photos documenting the saving of some artifacts in Pullman then moving them to a Steelworkers Park near the iron ore storage wall.

Dennis DeBruler posted two photos with the comment:
Mike Kieltyka created a photo album, https://www.facebook.com/groups/120664941289363/permalink/1822240367798470/, concerning the Structural Division of the USS South Works. I selected a couple of photos that illustrate how important railroads were for industry back when we had industry. The first photo is an aerial view showing the railyard by the lake and the many spurs into the buildings. The second one shows "52-inch carloads ready for shipment."
Rod Truszkowski Dennis DeBruler you can't put residential on the land too polluted it would make a great place for a casino/ hotel /arena site with park land along river and lake even the Obama library would work there and help the area.
Dennis DeBruler
You and 1 other manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Chicago Railroad Historians. The plan I read about included houses. Maybe that is why the plan did not work. They hauled enough mud from the bottom of Lake Peoria to cover a slag field 4-feet deep to make a park, https://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/.../us-steel-south...
Rod Truszkowski A good deal of the "LAND" the mill is built on is slang and byproduct from the mill the city and state let them fill in the lake front numerous times. The park across the river is also fill from the mill. A good deal of the old mill properties are toxic. One spot in the old Wisconsin steel plant is so bad they "cleaned " it up wearing suits and air tanks, black topped it, and then fenced it in. No trespassing signs everywhere
Rod Truszkowski Railroads used to use slang because it was cheap they used it when they built the last C&WI bridge over the Cal river then they found out it was toxic so they stopped using it
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Rod Sellers posted
Where am I?
Mark Simunic I think that is the lifesaving station across the slip from the blast Furness at South works.

Bill Staniec commented on Rod's post
Here is where it was. Next to South Works, South Slip.
Look at all the boats waiting their turn.

Rod Sellers commented on his post
Exterior view of U. S. Life Saving Service (predecessor of the U. S. Coast Guard) located near the mouth of Calumet River, next to the south slip of U.S. Steel Plant 1963. This property is still federally owned and never was part of U. S. Steel as seen in this 1941 map.
Bob Victor Rod Sellers - The original Coast Guard Station was later used by the Army Corps. of Engineers when the picture was taken. From USCG files. Coast Guard Station Calumet Harbor is located on the southern end of Chicago's lake front in Calumet Park and was originally placed into service in 1933 as Station South Chicago. Before that, the previous station commissioned in 1915, was located on the north bank of the Calumet River, just inside the river's mouth. In a continued state of growth, the present station has undergone two renovations: the addition of floating boat docks and three mobile homes.

MWRD posted
A view of Harbor Ave/Lake Shore Drive to the northeast from Mackinaw Avenue in Chicago on September 7, 1923, taken during construction of a portion of the Calumet Intercepting Sewer along Harbor Ave.
Mike Girdwain The concrete sidewalks are nicer than today. The street is about the same, lol.Jan Erkenbrack Selling potatoes.
And the sign says Buffet Breu on draught. Which was how we spelled draft back then.

Bob Lalich shared

John Domansky Sr.
Mike Crowley Actually that is looking east at the south slip at South Works. The 14&E blast furnaces in back ground.
Bob Lalich Yes, looking east from 90th St.
[Street View]

Steve Vanden Bosch posted three photos with the comment: "This photo from the Library of Congress 4a0608u shows an unidentifed Whaleback Steamer at Illiniois Steel Works South Chicago in the 1900's."
Alex Parker It looks like the Pathfinder later known as the Progress.
Built 1892. Scrapped 1934
https://www.flickr.com/photos/upnorthmemories/9568154939[Illinois Steel Works was one of the companies JP Morgan bought to create US Steel.]
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There is a 1965 map and an aerial photo in ejearchive. If I understand a copyright complaint correctly, I'm not supposed to provide URLs to information. So happy hunting.

Comments on postings of the map by another person:
Dennis DeBruler I wonder when the swing bridge was replaced by the lift bridge.
Ron Harris Along about 1975

Kevin Piper South Works wasn't just about steel. It was about people, neighborhoods, and Chicago. It was about America. There were over 20,000 people employed there during the 1970's. The ethnic blue-collar neighborhoods supporting the mill were pure Chicago. African-American, Polish, Italian, Irish, they were tough, hard-working folks, who often worked dangerous and dirty jobs, making the steel that helped build America and its economy. South Works is about a time in American history that is now gone forever. 

There was a Greek joint near the north gate that served the biggest and best Gyros I ever ate. A new automated rod mill went on-line in 1975. In 1980, plans were being made to produce new continuous welded rail at South. This could have saved the mill. Cheaper foreign rail flooding the U.S. market, plus a weakening economy dashed those plans. It meant something to be employed at "Da Sout-Werks." 

South Works was mainly a structural mill. Mostly I-Beams, rods, and plates. No coils, wire, sheets, or tinplate here. During the 1980's, all blast furnaces were shut down for good, and steel was produced with scrap melt from a newer electric furnace. The mill closed in 1993.
Bob Lalich Kevin Piper - rails were produced at South Works also.
Mark E. Vaughan Then did the bridge 710 which is between the Laborers Dorm and the Yard Office take the line back to Kirk Yard? Did the tracks stub NW of the engine service facility and the roundhouse or did the travel farther off the map?
Bob Lalich The tracks connected to the IC and B&O west of what are labeled Yard C and E on the map.

Comments on postings of the aerial photo by another person:
A very detailed satellite photo of South Works. By the 1970's, about 2/3 of the structures located below the ship slip in the center were removed. The high-line storage yard in the 9 o'clock position later became a large paved EJ&E employee parking lot. The curvy south blast furnace high-line can be plainly seen cutting through the lower center portion of the photo. This long and steep structure was especially spooky at night. The big 89th Street foot bridge over the Train Yard was also gone by the '70s.

Bob Lalich I believe this photo was taken during the strike in 1959. Note the complete lack of smoke.


Workers leaving the plant.



Thursday, April 2, 2020

Dec 2015 version of C&NW's Proviso Roundhouse, Yard, and Freight House

<The current version is here.>

(General: Satellite; Turntable: Satellite)

video that includes a 1947 description of the Proviso Yard operations.

Ray Carl -> RAILROAD HISTORY BUFFS OF ILLINOIS
Patrick McNamara comment
Proviso Diesel Shop, Roundhouse, Turntable c 1955
David Daruska and Patrick McNamara provided the following information in the comments.

Proviso turntable. The roundhouse was re-purposed for a trash collection company and torn down in the early 90s.

A big slice of the pie is missing because there was a  fire and that was the beginning of the slow destruction of the Roundhouse.

The yard is so big that it takes two aerial photos to cover it. Patrick's view is looking southwest because the roundhouse was on the north side in the middle of the yard. Note that most of it was still surrounded by farm land.

The rectangle building on the west end of the yard is the LCL freight transfer house. According to a video, the 21-acre building has 24 tracks, each of which can hold at least 36 cars. There are 72 tractors to pull 4600 trailers. In fact, quite a bit of the video deals with the operation in this building. Note that for LCL freight, there is paper work to be handled for each package. In this case, the waybill for a boxcar is a packet of papers.

1939 Aerial Photo from IHLAP
1939 Aerial Photo from IHLAP
Satellite
The turntable and diesel shop still exist. How many of those diesels need work and how many are just being stored on the tracks for their next assignment?

What surprises me is that some major classification yards still exist. Only the yard in the south west area has been converted to an intermodal facility (Global 2). I thought most of the Class I railroads now take the few mixed freights that they still run directly to BRC's Clearing Yard. I was expecting to see long arrival and departure tracks to interchange unit trains with the other railroads.

The video also mentions an ice manufacturing plant and icing facility. I wonder if this is the plant and the refer track with the ice trestle alongside the track.

1939 Aerial Photo from IHLAP
1942 Jack Delano Photo
Jerry Jackson -> Chicagoland Railfan
Looking west, across Proviso Yard 1943. Jack Delano photo. The bridge is Wolf Road, which used to cross from Berkely to Melrose Park, IL. Burned down in the late 50's.
It appears that the above image is cropped and exposure corrected.
Carl Venzke posted
General view of the hump yard at Proviso yard, C & NW RR - Chicago, IL, Dec. 1942 - Jack Delano color photo.

Stuart Pearson -> Chicagoland Railfan
C&NW 3000Class 4-8-4 on the Proviso Yard Turntable. The Roundhouse was comprised of 56 Stalls. I once met a man who was a Freight Train Conductor who told me that he was in the Cab of one of these Locomotives when it came close to 100MPH while Pulling a Freight.
John Nawakowski -> Forgotten Chicago
Chicago and Northwestern railroad yard, Chicago, Ill. 1942 (Photo-Jack Delano)
The consensus of the comments is that Jack climbed the light towers to get his shots of the yard.
Dan Crespo comment on John's posting
About the same shot of the Proviso Yard by Jack Delano. The gorgeous "Yellow Gold" on some of the tracks accentuated on this one. That has to be the Wolf Rd. bridge there.
[Tumblr has higher resolution and did not squeeze this picture into a profile format.]

David M Laz posted
The freight house at a Chicago and Northwestern Railroad yard. In the foreground
[The freight house is in the background. The foreground is the icing ramp.]
David M Laz posted
1942. “Proviso Yards, Chicago. A Chicago & North Western Railroad ... 
Now that is a roundhouse
Thomas Leaton The photo looks Northward and slightly West. Lake Street/US Route 20 ran behind the roundhouse and the three water tanks.
[1942 Jack Delano, LC-UCW36-527]

Mike Breski posted
Update:
Jack Delano   LoC: LC-USW361-588

C&NWRR, towerman R.W. Mayberry of Elmhurst, Ill., at the Proviso yard. He operates a set of retarders and switches at the hump.

Jack Delano, cropped   LoC: LC-USW3-012358-D

Chicago, Illinois. Looking toward the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad classification yard from one of the control towers at the hump

Jack Delano   LoC: LC-USW33-014768

Chicago, Illinois. Retarder operator in his tower at the hump in the Chicago and Northwestern classification yard

Martin G. Sorenson posted
April 1943. "Switchman throwing a switch at the Chicago & North Western RR's Proviso Yard, Chicago, Ill." 4x5 inch Kodachrome transparency by Jack Delano for the Office of War Information.Randy Baran holy cow - i forgot they made kodachrome in 4x5 sheet way back when!
David M Laz posted
Michael Buckley Part of a switch man or brakemans job . Thru a lot of them in my 42 years as conductor for Santa Fe - BNSF . Bad in winter with ice and snow .Jerry Hund Love those Adlake switch lanterns.
Neil Caplan posted four photos with the comment:
19th March 2006, a pretty special visit to UP Proviso for a group of British railfans as they let us go up the tower in the centre. The shots were all a little point and shoot and I should have taken more but hey, I shall never get to do it again!
Kaleb Hazelwood They took the tower down this past spring.
Neil Caplan Definitely won't be up there again then!
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Dennis Mize posted
Eastbound 120 car freight nearing Proviso on 4/13/74 with a High-Wide shipment near the head end. C&NW's clearance desk was staffed by an officer and clerk each weekday issuing clearances on all shipments that were more than 16 feet high or more than 10 foot 6 inches wide (dimensions of a regular box car). Each clearance carried an HW-number. Each number was assigned to a particular origin and destination. Since many shipments were repeats, the same number could be used from that file number with the new car number and the measured clearances. C&NW's clearance officer had many route dimensions memorized and could get help from engineering on any new shipments where help was needed. This same desk took the phone calls from each autoplant (GM, Chrsyler, AMC) and created the Hot Car Lists for 2nd and 3rd shift to handle with Proviso.
Glen Miller posted
December 1942. Classification yard at the Chicago & Northwestern Proviso Yard, Chicago. 4x5 Kodachrome transparency by Jack Delano.
Carl Venzke posted
CNW milk cars being rebuilt.
[Photogrammar]
Jim Arvites posted
A 1943 view of the Chicago & North Western Railroad's Proviso Yard outside of Chicago.
(Jack Delano Photo, Edward Jarolin Collection)
Greg Mross posted
BROC Alco #604 brings a transfer freight into CNW's Proviso Yard on a dreary day in January of 1986.
[And a Chessie Cat and four Cascade Green BN boxcars.]


John Smith posted four photos:
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Bill Molony posted
The Chicago & North Western Railroad's Proviso Yard at it looked in 1942.
Dennis DeBruler The background on the left shows a dark smoke haze. Looking at a map and the angle of the yard, this smoke might be in the Goose Island and further north areas.

Bill Molony posted
Proviso Yard - 1942
Paul Meier Jack Delano photo?
Mel Patrick yes
Glen Olbermann Good old days, cold beer is always on the third caboose on caboose track. Homemade scotch in bushes by ice house on the north end.

Jeff Carlson posted
Hi all,
Do any of you recognize this yard at all? This is a slide dated "06/1978," although there's a Kim Piersol photo of what sure looks to be the SAME train in Blue Island in 1976 ( http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=419436 ). I'm not sure if the two photos are of the same train, but it sure looks like it.

My initial thought was Proviso, because of the pair of CNW Geeps visible in the background (upper right), and the number of CNW freight cars, but that canal on the left side is throwing me off. Thanks, in advance!

Ken Carlson, photo

DavidandLaura Greenberg Jeff Carlson, I am going with you are correct at Proviso taken on Mannheim Rd. I think the canal is in the weeds to the left of the UP units. Unfortunately the damn fence rail is at the height of the camera, but I think the water tank is still there. Just my worthless .2 cents worth. Maybe I am wrong.... https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m6!1e1!3m4...
Ean Kahn-Treras Yah this is definitely Proviso off of Mannheim looking east.

DavidandLaura Greenberg and it is the same train.
Jeff Carlson That's what I thought. The two leaders are the same units, the third looks similar, and at least the first two boxcars look similar. Wild!

Mark Simmons That's Addison Creek to the left.
Michael Klempin My Dad worked for the PC and spent many, many hours in Proviso yard.
[The trees now hide the Addison Creek "Canal" from satellite view, but if you know it is there, you can find it.]

Michael Riha shared the Grève des trains - USA - 1946. album. The captions show the photo number in that album.

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David Daruszka C&NW Roundhouse at Proviso Yards, Melrose Park, IL.Terry L. Hunt Back when Proviso was out in the country.

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Jerry Jackson posted three photos with the comment:
My late friend Jim Drennan and I each took one of these photos. Which is which? I dunno. Shot from the bridge at CP Hill, overlooking the east end of Proviso Yard. The third photo IS the bridge at CP Hill looking back on a much warmer day. I reference "CP Hill" as overheard by employees, including Jim.
Dennis DeBruler So CP Hill is the IHB overpass. This is one of the few times in Chicagoland where a "now" photo would have more track than a "then" photo. Your view would have been blocked by a new bridge and ramped track to create a flyover connection between IHB and UP so that (slow!) transfer freights do not interfere with commuter trains on the two southern mainline tracks. http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/.../create-b2-b3-b4...

Dennis DeBruler See the second photo in http://www.createprogram.org/factsheets/B2.pdf

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From an album of 1943 photos
John Foster shared
Fascinating photo of a narrow gauge line operating at Proviso Yard in 1943.
Brandon McShane Obviously in the car shop in an era before forklifts and other rubber-wheeled equipment for hauling heavy components.Gerry Walsh The old friction bearing.Dont miss the old repacks.Steven Holding There use to be many "narrow gauge" railroads in a lot of industry. [I've seen them inside foundries complete with turntables in a side track so that it can feed several aisle tracks.]
Patrick McNamara commented on John's posting
 I have a piece of rail from this little line...all evidence of this was erased in the mid 70s...
Chicago & North Western Historical Society posted
Here we (CNW archives crew) are once again with a question of where (community) this photo was taken. There is no photographer or date data on the reverse of the photo. Is that an icing station at the left side of the photo? What are those arched roofs buildings in the top center of the photo? We think that the photo posted "below" is from the same community.
Patrick McNamara This is a view looking West at the Proviso Freight House from old Yard One. The walkway over the County Line Mains from the Berkeley (Proviso at that time) station is at Left, the Hump Yard, Yard Five, is the other side of the elevated line for the pneumatic tube system that ran from the Administration building to the RIP Track, on the Right.

Kevin Leahy The arched roof building is the LCL Freight Station at Proviso. It was torn down and replaced with the old Proviso Piggyback Plaza.
Dennis DeBruler commented on the above posting
The closer part of the trestle on the left was part of the icing facilities. The ice making building would be out-of-frame to the left. You can see refers parked along part of the trestle. The above photo is very consistent with this 1938 aerial. It looks like Wolf Road used to go over the yard, and the picture was taken from the Wolf Road bridge.
Roger Wihelmi posted
A picture from the February 1946 issue of NorthWestern Newsliner.
Trent Blasco posted
I read a few comments on this picture. A few people say it was a war time era box car used to move explosives. another person says it was exclusive to the C&NW to be moved between the Merchandise mart in Chicago and Priviso Freight house. Any more info as to the facts of the marking would be great.
Erik Spoonmore According to this on the Historical Society FAQ page they were used to load LCL freight from the various Freight houses in Chicago to the large LCL terminal at Proviso Yard. They were called dolly cars and had cages attached to dolly’s to load packages on. Type in “X Door” in the search box on the link below and you will find the info towards the middle of the page https://www.cnwhs.org/faq.pl
Chicago & North Western Historical Society posted
The C&NW wanted to get heavily into "Piggyback" services and decided that this site where the LCL transfer shed stood was the best place to build it. Thus, the shed had to come down in 1958. We are looking east across the massive shed roof at the west end of the Proviso Yard in 1958. The wrecking of the shed is under way. Going.......
Trent Blasco I think this is where the current day inter modal facility is located on the property?
Jerry Cramer Yes it is Trent. It’s now called Global Two. I used to work out of there a lot. It also covers what used to be Yard One.
After Patrick McNamara posted the above aerial on one of my shares, I took a closer look at the photo we commented:
Dennis DeBrulerYou and 1 other manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Chicago Railroad Historians.  As I was taking a closer look at this photo, I noticed the hump yard tower. Then I noticed that there seems to be two additional towers on either side of the track fan-out. (What is the proper term for the downhill part of a hump?) I now wonder when retarders were automated. Using three towers makes me realized that there is a lot about hump hard control that I don't know about. My first though was that the hump operator could select a track, and relays could throw the appropriate turnouts for that track. But then I realized that would allow only one car at a time to roll down the hump. I believe there can be multiple cars at a time in the track fan-out. As someone who wrote programs all of his career, a program to switch the turnouts at the correct time to handle multiple cars rolling to different tracks strikes me as an interesting (challenging) problem.

Patrick McNamara I'll have my old friend Carl Shaver fill you in on the intricacies of being a Car Retarder Operator (CRO in C&NW parlance). The hill itself is 'the Hump,' a term that was also used when referring to the tracks, Yard 5, that contained the freshly marshalled cars that rolled down the Hump. Proviso's mechanical retarder system dates from its building (in 1927-28) - the tracks switches were automated sometime after that.


Patrick McNamara posted
C&NW 1776 pushes another string of cars over Proviso's Hump. Photo taken at Yard Nine for the US President's Railroad Commission that was investigating safety on the rails in the waning days of the Dwight Eisenhower administration - H. G. Plock, Photographer. 1960
David DaruszkaDavid and 1 other manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Chicago Railroad Historians. They found no safety at Proviso and moved on.
Larry J. Pearlman posted
You spin me round, round, baby....Proviso shops.
One of seven photos posted by Sam Carlson
East end of diesel ramp. The sun is being obscured as a snowstorm rolls in.
At first I thought the above photo was at the 40th Street Yard. But I've never seen that water tower there. So I checked Proviso. Sure enough, Proviso still has the water tower and an even bigger engine servicing facility.

Satellite
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Tom Rutkowski posted
2/26 A locomotive going for a spin on the turn table outside the shops at proviso.
Carl Venzke posted
General view of part of the rip tracks at Chicago and North Western railroad's Proviso yard, Chicago, Ill.- April 1943 - Jack Delano photo
[RIP tracks are Repair in Place.]

Chicago & North Western Historical Society posted
Someone wanted to see photos of the C&NW's "old Proviso yard." Here is one taken by the C&NW company at an unknown date. Note the water tank at the upper left of the photo. Maybe the early 1960s? Also, see the three photos of Proviso taken in 1933 and published here a few moments ago.
Roy Rother There are like 20 cars in this yard!Hannah Miyamoto Given that there are almost no freight cars and no locomotives in sight, isn't this before the hump yard actually opened? In that case, some of the smoke and steam on the left side of the photo may be from steam locomotives.Carl Shaver I think it was more like the late 1950s for the second hump lead being extended over the hill, soon after Heineman came to power. 

When I hired out in '71, it was much like this (except for the lack of water tower). However, we'd never see the yard 
this empty of cars. It was in '72 that they redesigned the hump to have a double crossover in front of Tower A, so both leads could hump into all tracks. 

It was scary to drive across the hump; in my career I saw two cars get hit. I know that one of the signal maintainers lost a leg up there as well. 

Hannah, no, it's not before everything opened...that second hump lead is the key to that. There originally was only one track over the hill. However, I have no idea why the yard was so empty, unless it was during the telegraphers' strike or something like that.

No steam locomotives left at this point in time.

This is after the Wolf Road bridge over the yard was destroyed; I see evidence of what's currently Track 39 there--when the bridge existed a pier would have obstructed that.

I hired out 42 years after the hump opened, and spent 39 years there, mostly working Tower A.
Don Wittmuss Is the method for reclassing cars still using the hump ramp...Chicago & North Western Historical Society Yes, Day after day with Gensets
[Evidently UP hasn't given up totally on gensets, 
https://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/gensets-are-already-dead.html]
Brian Niedert Patrick McNamara when did they add the second hump lead?Patrick McNamara In the 60s - when I hired out in 72 they used a small shanty across the Hump Leads from the present Hump Office and called the little shanty 'Sputnik' (after the first Russian satellite) - the name stuck.
Patrick McNamara commented on a post
After searching my Archive I found these photos - they were taken just after the Telegrapher's strike in 1962.

Patrick McNamara commented on a post
 The track to the right ?
Fred Van Dorpe posted
Dennis DeBruler Proviso is big. And I learned that when I went to Highland a couple of times traffic is a mess because Wolf Road stops and Mannheim Road looses a lane over the bridge. And, in general, most railroad entrances are not public friendly. Can someone suggest where in Proviso we should aim for?
Fred commented on his post
Fred Van Dorpe Just drive in this way, park in the parking lot you will see, and 1111 is where i circled. Just stay behind the yellow barricades, they don't want you getting too close.
Mathan Mackey posted
And just like that 90 years of the Proviso hump comes to an end. 07/07/19
[More comments about the closing of the hump and Global 1. Trains article This will cause trucks in the Chicago area to use even more interstate capacity so that UP can use less rail capacity.]

Jeff Braxton posted
The old CNW Proviso hump officially closes at 0600 this morning [July 9, 2019] forever after 90 years.
Thank you PSR
Alan Ott My Mom once told me that there was a footbridge that ran crossways over that yard that was a mile long. If I understand right, Proviso was at one time the largest railyard in the world.
Jeff Braxton Alan Ott at one time it was the largest in the world. Until bailey came around.
But still. Proviso has history.
Josh Neely I’m a Yardmaster at Radnor in Nashville we went to flat switching for about a year then they opened us back up as a hump, maybe y’all will have the same fortune...Hang on though, PSR is rough and they will cut everything to the bone....
Tom Danza Alan Ott , you are correct it was the largest yard in the word in the 40’s 50’s. The foot bridge your mom spoke of is now Mannheim Rd. still spanning the width of the yard. The wooden bridge burned many years ago, from cinders from a steam loco. I pulled pins on that Hump many a night.
John P. Pisciotto The wooden bridge was wolf road. Burned when someone parked a steam loco under it.
Tom Danza John now that I think about it you are correct. And it was never replaced I think.
Janet Schultz Where will the switching go?
The UPRR closes Shortline yard in DM, transfers all those cars to Neff Yard in KCMO. we used to switch 500 cars a night, flat switch , bowl yard with about 40 tracks, 4 receiving tracks.

They closed Butler WI, laid off a bunch of employees, same thing at Hinkle OR.
North Platte has into the hundreds of employees laid off.

Meanwhile, there is a newly painted "employee engagement" locomotive roaming around the properties that UPRR owns.

And of course, tickets to ride the newly revamped 4014 BigBoy locomotive train are 300 to 750 dollars, and that's just for the Omaha to Boone leg, says its fundraiser for UP museum at Council Bluffs.

More work from far less people, and the privileged people who can afford it, can ride the fancy trains.
Lay off people with many years of service, screw em and their years of service....all in the name of something called Precision Railroading

Oh, and the "father " of Precision railroading was paid 85 million dollars for 1 year of his job slashing by the railroad which contracted him, only 1 year because he was using an oxygen tank to breath and died cutting jobs. E Hunter Harrison .

What is happening ? Who are we working for? I wonder.
Harold Lemmon It seems they are cutting off their arms so they can save on shirts.
Jeff Braxton The hump is being bulldozed and G2 ops are being extended into what once was the hump. They want to expand intermodal.

It won’t be reopened.
Elcamino Pasztor CP Rail has had a few humps ripped out over the Hunter years. Now they're being rebuilt and put back in to service.
Elcamino Pasztor Peter Jugo Calgary completely ripped out the old hump yard about 8 months ago and put a new one in... all spanking brand new.
Hugo Humphreys Mike Molnar Alyth yard in Calgary, and now they are doing Winnipeg, next up is Toronto I believe.
Dee Kizzle They shut down, and tore up the Alyth hump yard when Hunter took over. They just spent millions building a new one that is less efficient than the original.
I'm saving a copy of the satellite image while it still has cars in it because UP has closed the hump because they want to use the land to expand Global 2 because they closed Global 3 and Canalport. And I think they closed Global 1 also. Just what Chicago expressways need, more trucks. (We have to think of an alternative word for expressways because driving with your brake pedal is not express speeds. I now take the side roads because stop-and-go traffic has some "go.")
Satellite

1966 Marty Flickr photo (source, includes a discussion of 1943 cameras) of two mother-slug units shoving cars over the hump.

An album of 168 1943 photos.

Arturo Gross Flickr 1996 Photo  (source)

Bob Lalich Flickr 1990 Photo, Yard 9

Kevin P. Keefe's Milestone Blog post (source)