Friday, September 30, 2016

Vintage Little Square Hay Balers

Straw after combining

Screenshot from a video
This video is neat because this is long before government regulations would require moving parts to be covered. Note that the only thing the vertical plunger does is shove the hay down into the hay chamber. It is the horizontal plunger that actually compresses the hay to form the bales.
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[Not only are the gears exposed, the PTO shaft doesn't have any shields.]

Kevin Norwood posted
Now here is a baler you won't see too often.
Kevin Norwood It is an Ann Arbor press on a Republic truck. I crawled underneath and looked but could see no way it was run off the truck, but it used a gear/chain system to another power source. I'll have to ask my neighbor if I see him in the field.
Kevin Norwood posted
Ann Arbor hay press mounted on an old Franklin fire truck
[Same as the above photo, but with better lighting.]


Dennis Hamblin posted
Thanks for letting me join the group who is dedicated to preserving our rich farm implement heritage. This John Deere No 14 Light hay press came from this barn in Mississippi and restored in my barn in Texas. It was going to be displayed at Gathering of the Green until it was canceled. Very proud to have this machine from WW II era.

Bob Palmersheim posted
Case CC tractor and wire tie baler. Men on back slid the wires thru and tied each bale by hand. Wires were already cut to right length with a loop on one end. When it was tied, just had to slip the open end of the wire thru the loop and give it a couple wraps. When the bale came thru after being compressed, the wires would tighten up.
Joe Fountain: Charlie Edwards My dad did custom bailing; 1st w Oliver blocks & wire, then J D116W, V4 Wisconsin, pulled w a 47 Jeep. 60 cycles/min, motor coasts, then governors wide open. If he slugged it, killed motor, wd jump out, run, crank it immediately so gas did not boil in carb.
Arnold Kruger: I go back far enough to remember the Case wire tie baler. I was driving the tractor for the baler and I yelled back to the guy that owned the baler that there was something in the windrow. He never wanted to stop for anything and waved me on. I run the swarm of bees into the baler. You never in your life saw two guys get off those seats so fast. The guy on the hay rack almost wet his pants from laughing. Baling red clover was the dirtiest job.
[Several comments talk about how dusty and dirty it was riding back there tying the wires.]
[Sometimes, a Facebook suggestion is good.]

George Myers posted
Ok, who is on the pitch fork and who is gonna tie? Ran across this at a scrap yard today. It's a JI Case. I wonder what year it is.
George Myers I thought it was some amazing history. They used to stuff it with a human leg. Unfortunately some legs were lost if you got out of time with the plunger. This is an up dated version with a horse head stuffer.
Matthew Armstead Fun to watch but after working with one you understand why alot of guys back then missing fingers and hands and when the next best thing came up everyone scraped them becuse they where not a fan of them lol that one looks like a newer one if it has a motor for it I think older one would have been ran with a belt and tractor.
George Myers I saw horse drawn one when I was a kid. The horse went around in a circle.
Rodney Gass Early 40s we have one just like it.

Screenshot from a 1942 John Deere advertisement video
Gary Biewer shared two photos with the comment: "John Deere Hay Press $2500 OBO."

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Channing Greene posted
Never seen a hay bailer like this before
racy Etherington That's a hay press. Runs off of an endless belt hook to a tractor or a hit and miss engine. But I'm sure somebody knows more about it than I do.Pat Schlegel Hay press, Loose hay was brought to it and fed into the top and pressed through. a wooden block was fed in first then hay. When the bale was long enough another wooden block was added then more hay. At the right time you punched wire through between the first two blocks to tie the bale together. Then you added more hay to finish the next bale. eventually they added a pickup to similar machines to make the baler that we know.Pat Schlegel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1meDvEGAY8 These boys had their share of problems.Pat Schlegel another real good video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhz195aAxdoRichard Vandecreek Looks like an IHC FROM AROUND THE 20's
Josh Sevart commented on the above posting
I have a model 20 Ann Arbor for sale. Will need some work if you intend to run it. Located in Iowa.
I'm asking $600.
Dave Fehr commented on the above posting
He also provided a video of another one that is driven by a hit-and-miss engine
Jim Schwartz updated the CASE Power and Equipment group
A video of bailing wheat straw with a stationary baler that is driven by a hit-miss gas engine.
Old & Vintage Machinery shared Lew Redwood's photo.
HAY MAKING - BALING AT MORGANS FARM ARATAPU NZ 1946
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CASE Power and Equipment posted
Andrew Nelson What model baler do you think? NCM? Galvanized I haven't seen like that.Jim Schwartz Looks early NCMBill Eastman Until I joined this site I never new that the first balers had human hand knotters.Harold Ralston The dirtiest job known to human kind! Never did it, but watched those that did, wearing dust masks etc. Probably better on the ones that traveled through the field than those that were stationary.Andrew Nelson Bill, I think all hand tie balers were wire tie. I suspect the pickup balers were even duster than the stationary models, plus you are sitting on them riding over the bumps and rough fields. However the total amount of labor would be much less with pick up.
[The gal should be paying attention to where her tire is. She is awful close to riding on the windrow.]


JC Greene posted three pictures of the New Holland hay baler that my Grandfather and his brother shared for their farms when I helped as a kid. (Drove the wagons between the field and the barn and unloaded the bales onto the elevator.) I wasn't strong enough to load the wagons in the field. The 4 cylinder air-cooled Wisconsin engine was hand cranked.
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Screenshot from a video of another New Holland
This has a much smaller engine than my Grandpa's baler and the pickup is on the left instead of the right. I have never seen a pickup on the left before

A 0:58 video of a New Holland baler from the tractor seat. At 0:53, you can see and hear the plunger skip a beat while a bale is being tied. Note their is no PTO because when this baler was introduced, tractors were smaller.
A 0:10 video from the wagon. At 0:06, you can not only see the packer skip a beat, you can see the curved bars push the twine through the bale. The knotters are on the left side of the bales.

Doug Huffman posted 15 pictures of what looks like a predecessor of the above with the comment:
Old square baler for sale. Was told it's a NH model 73. The 73 was the very first baler NH made after they purchased the rights from Mr. Nolt. Less than 1300 of these balers made. 4 cylinder Wisconsin engine. Baler has been setting for over 20 years inside a barn. Motor is stuck but not sure how bad, baler itself turns free. Borg Warner gear box.
Will fit on gooseneck and yes I can help load.
$1,350 obo
So the video above looks like this first model.

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Frank Himmelstein posted
While our 76 new Holland baler has been safe inside since 1948 when it was bought new, we bought a 77 used and only used it a few years. It’s all there for a restoration project if anyone wants to come to Connecticut to rescue it.
John W Cushwa: My dad bought a 77 in about 1954. Used it up thru 1970.
John M Smith: Wisconsin engine?
Frank Himmelstein: John M Smith yes
Murrie Hokenson: One more memory of that beast, an old fence post got raked up in a windrow and the monster still chopped it up with that plunger and huge auger and put it in the bale!! Try that with a 214T and a kicker...
Hans Geier: Called them Horsehead Balers. [Because of the shape of the packer I presume.]
Graham Carmel Worsnop: Most other balers had side feed to the bale chamber. New Holland changed to that in the 16X18 bale with the 78. The overhead feed with the feeder head, or donkey, had higher capacity. It was also the way all previous stationary balers I knew of operated.
Dennis DeBruler: I remember when you hit a big windrow, if you hadn't slowed down, the Wisconsin engine would "make noise" on every packer stroke. If you heard it working that hard, you better slow down because my uncle used the normal sized shear bolt. He did not drill a bigger hole for a bigger bolt because he wanted to fix bolts rather than other parts of the baler.
[There is a comment that provides a video from the perspective of a person on the wagon. At the very end it shows the packer skipping a beat as the knotter worked. The linkage that allowed that to happen always fascinated me.]
 
I was surprised how little footage was given to the baler. That is because later they have a whole section devoted to their balers starting with their new Hayliner 68. "New Holland brought out the new automatic baler in 1940." (source: John Neiley post with the comment: "Old New Holland film from 1958.")
13:17 video @ 8:57

Footage of the Super 77 and 87 begins here: During the sequences, I saw the plunger pause three times.
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Ahren Telford posted
What a day, not even half done yet. Beautiful hay though for sure, no humidity, nice breeze and 80 degrees.
Fred Hart We had a B just like that one when I was a kid, first tractor I ever got to drive,
They were small tractors, but they were tough and strong for their size,
Ahren Telford Fred Hart , I was actually pretty surprised it pulled this load in. Was even able to use 2nd gear.
Michael Arnold I don’t miss any of those little bales got a good lookin tractor though!!
Fred Hart Michael Arnold you young kids inspire me,
When I was first learning to drive the little B it was pulling a wagon as my dad and uncle loaded loose hay on the wagon, then carrying the loose hay to the hay stack,
That was another lost art, how to place the hay on a hay stack.
[Those poor tires! On my Grandfather's farm they would stack two bales for four rows and then one bale for the fifth row. If I remember right, they used automobile tires with inner tubes at 40 psi. That wagon has seven rows!]

Gary Biewer posted four pictures of a stationary Ann Arbor Hay Press that he wants to sell for $1200.

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Josh Sevart posted
For sale. Model 20 Ann Arbor stationary hay press. For parts or yard art. It does have the bale tension bar and cross bracket but no handles. I can take more pictures if your interested. $750. Van horne iowa.


This is normally not why one does hay baling.

VintageTribune

The hay bales must have seemed like a good idea at the time: Chicago Playboy bunnies in a promotional shot from 1968, heralding the opening of the Lake Geneva (Wis.) Playboy Club.


Screenshot from Part 3, Part 1
McCormick Deering No. 50 - AW hay baler Part 2 video. Its too bad that a lot of it is backlit. When we baled with the New Holland, the man on the wagon would be spending much more time walking back and forth to stack the bales. That is, I think we made the bales faster. We would double-rake. That is, do a second pass over the field with the rake to shove a windrow on top of an adjacent windrow. I don't know why he put a couple on the front corner. They are using wire instead of twine.
Part 1 video of him first starting that baler after he bought it.

Screenshot from a stationary baler video
Note that the wires are manually shoved through the hay and tied.
video of a John Deere 327 baler with an ejector topping off a wagon. Most of the time the windrow was big enough to fill the baler's pickup.  Using an Oliver 1750 tractor.

This video of an IH stationary baler is really neat because they did not worry about safety back then and you can clearly see the main horizontal plunger go back and forth because they did not cover up the moving parts. And they had already invented a linkage that causes the vertical plunger to go up faster than it goes down.

The first implement in this 1942 John Deere product video is their baler. Note the three men that had to ride on it to help it work!

Mary Alice Daws posted
Some of the prettiest bales of hay I've seen in awhile......all hand tied.
[A comment pointed out that this is being run by a belt from the tractor.]
Fritz Vonk posted
The ole girl still getting it done!
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The comments indicate the 730 is an electric start diesel and the baler is a 24T.]
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I posted this and other pictures as comments on Facebook
Dan Jacobs posted
Case 130 baler
Tim Butcher shared
[The guy on the wagon is pulling the bale with a bale hook. That hook brings back some memories. It was a pointed curved rod on the end of a "D-handle."]
Tim Butcher shared
Did you know...on average, vigorously cleaning the barn or stacking hay bales = burning 476 calories/hour! Farmer using a hay loader, Farmall 504 utility and Farmall 460 tractor parked in the foreground. Source(s): Successful Farming at Agriculture.com, picture from Wisconsin Historical Society (WHS).
[Finally, a picture of the other end of bailing. Working up in the mow on a hot day was considered one worse jobs in farming. This is like it was when I unloaded wagons except the elevator was driven by an electric motor and we parked the wagon across the end of the elevator instead of beside it.


Notice the gap between the bales. And that he is holding a bale until a comparable gap opens up before he drops it on the elevator. The size of the gap determines how fast the guys in the mow had to work. They would tell us how many to have on the elevator at one time.

A coworker's brother was in town so I and others joined him to have lunch with the brother. He was home from working on an aircraft carrier as one of the people that loaded the ordinance onto the planes. He said that others on his team were from farms and thought mowing was harder work. He could not believe anything was harder than their job of loading bombs. I explained how hot it would get on a hot, humid day not only because you are effectively working in an attic, the hay had been soaking up sunshine from all over the field and now you are adding that heat to an already hot "attic." Furthermore, hay bales were probably 50-80 pounds, and you had to throw them over to the other side of the mow and up into the peak. As a city boy, I struggled to unload the wagon where I had gravity working on my side. I could not dream of working in the mow. The reason I unloaded wagons is because I could then drive the tractor to the field for the next load. At least the men in the mow could rest outside and re-hydrate as the next load is fetched. There would be two or three guys in the mow depending on the size of the bay being filled. The fact that it took two people in the field, one to unload, and 2-3 in the mow is why big round bales were invented --- to reduce the labor cost. My grandmother was in charge of finding high school kids to work the mow.]

Combines Harvesters Threshers posted

International Harvester Collectors Chapter 37 Eastern North Carolina posted
What's NEW for '62 at IH

Jordan Konkol posted
At first I thought it was a side car!
Mike MacDonald be a tough unit to get through gates!Steve Hoshel The Ferguson Tractor-Mate baler. One of Harry Ferguson's ideas to create a unitized implement based on the Ferguson tractor. Biggest problem? Not the overall design nor the implementation, but the knotter was the blow that killed it. Apparently, the story goes that by using the Deering style knotter without International-Harvester's approval, Ferguson committed patent infringement. I-H demanded either a financial settlement or destruction of all sold units in the US. Ferguson chose the latter. Any existing examples of the Tractor-Mate baler were sold outside of the contiguous 48 states. In one video I have, the owner of a baler bought his from Canada and he knew of another that came from Alaska.Evan Young There was also a Ferguson Tractor-Mate forage chopper. Few were made, and I'm not sure if there are any surviving examples.

George Glover posted a couple of photos of his daughter driving a self-propelled baler.
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Note that not only did they have an engine on the rotary rake, they had one to run the hydraulics at 1:00. And they had a Bobcat. When I saw a video of other Amish helping someone who had a problem, I counted about 12 different skid steers helping. That video was removed when I tried looking at it again a few days later.

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Pumping in the hay.
Garry Whyler had one on a property i worked on 33yrs ago, from memory it held 101 or 110 bales
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I was going to put this under modern baling, but then I noticed the comment about 33 years old.]
Screenshot from video

Facebook short
Near the end you can see it unload.

I generally avoid "onelonleyfarmer" videos because sometimes he is potty mouthed. Fortunately, he kept this narration clean because you also get to see a John Deere 720 run with a load. He also rides the baler so you can see the knotters work of a few cycles.

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This video shows the Steffen System for gathering the bales into a big bundle. Furthermore, maybe they do still make little square balers because this baler assumes a tricycle tractor is not going to be used and has the pickup in the middle of the tractor like the big balers do.
The corresponding front loader attachment to load the bundles. Judging by the tires, that is an old hay wagon. We used to stack them double wide for four layers and then single wide for the fifth layer. They are doing six double wide. I would be worried about blowing out a tire. The tractor is old also because he was able to get in from the right side. I noticed that modern tractors are like horses, you can get on only on the left side.


And another labor saving solution for small bales. Instead of a barn, this farmer uses 30 van trailers to store the bales. When he sells some bales, he just swaps a full trailer for an empty trailer.


Steffen's solution as to how to pick up, transport, and stack the bundles.







(posting) The equipment for a custom bale operator. Has both small and big balers
Blaine Urbat Only $20mill+ on the side of the road no big deal
Bert Jurak Look for the steamers in front of the balers
Edgar Mackie II Was wondering what the things in front if the big balers were.
Bryan W Hiebert They dry it.. the steamers is to make pretty much a dew for the hay. we don't get much dew hear cuz its so dry. So it helps put it on the hay and make a perfect bale
Michael Pyra It's so the leaves stay one the alfafa when baling dry
Bryan Ramsey Staheli West steamers. Awesome machine and an amazing family owned company. I have visited the facility and met them. My dad and I own a DewPoint 6110. This is our 4th season with it. Amazing machine.
Bert Jurak Hazelton Idaho they control around 65000 ac of hay
Simeon T Moedl Freeman built in Oregon, most of them gave Deutz air cooled engines, really heavy duty small balers.
You Tube then offers videos of the equipment in action and this one that explains their operation. They grow alpha hay for the thoroughbred industry in the east. Every four years they rotate with corn or potatoes.

Bale Baron. Small straw bales being tied into large bundles.



We have seen some of the scenes in this video either here or in the modern bailing posting. But what I have never seen before is the machine that wraps small square bales at -4:37.

A video showing loading and mowing bales. Using two guys to load is wimpy. My uncle and Mom's cousin used to do it by themselves. But they would take turns loading and driving the tractor so that they could rest between loads. Also the video doesn't show the really hard part --- loading the last five bales on the front corner of the wagon. I wonder if they are going to use another elevator to feed the elevator they moved to fill in the middle of the mow. Note that the other side of the mow has straw.

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